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Post by tell98 on Nov 5, 2016 14:00:27 GMT
with the '10pts to play with', bringing in 'better' riders, isnt that what people wanted ? been maoning about ? clubs will only bring them in if thay have the money to do so how dose 50pt limit increase costs ? Doyal on 13 pts, costs the same as Doyal on 8pts & thats 5 of the 'extra' 7pts gone already
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Post by andout on Nov 5, 2016 16:26:00 GMT
I guess I'm surprised at the moment, nothing has been done about the presentation of the product......points will all work itself out but to my mind it's all about the presentation.... Nothing done yet about the constant boredom of gardening or going back to the pits after a false start......yes I'll say it again even left in the bloody TR, which few fans want....
I will have an open mind (as long as my brain doesn't fall out) come 2017 but I really think some of the annoying aspects of our sport could have been tweaked!
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Post by tell98 on Nov 5, 2016 16:34:08 GMT
I guess I'm surprised at the moment, nothing has been done about the presentation of the product......points will all work itself out but to my mind it's all about the presentation.... Nothing done yet about the constant boredom of gardening or going back to the pits after a false start......yes I'll say it again even left in the bloody TR, which few fans want.... I will have an open mind (as long as my brain doesn't fall out) come 2017 but I really think some of the annoying aspects of our sport could have been tweaked! Rye House realllly drag meetings out, will go down well with Sky ! NOT !!!
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Post by gaz on Nov 5, 2016 20:25:47 GMT
I guess I'm surprised at the moment, nothing has been done about the presentation of the product......points will all work itself out but to my mind it's all about the presentation.... Nothing done yet about the constant boredom of gardening or going back to the pits after a false start......yes I'll say it again even left in the bloody TR, which few fans want.... I will have an open mind (as long as my brain doesn't fall out) come 2017 but I really think some of the annoying aspects of our sport could have been tweaked! In total agreement with you andout, about the gardening, going back to pits after false starts, the horrible TR and late starts to meetings after advertised tapes up time ( apart from if big queues outside) All of which are complained about on the terraces. Come on BSPA listen a bit more to the paying public as without us the sport is nothing.
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Post by Youngy on Nov 5, 2016 20:47:57 GMT
With all the crap that has gone on with my team over the past week or so I'm just glad I'll have a team to follow in 2017. For me, the statement is just a shuffling of deck chairs. Doesn't appear that none of the major gripes have been dealt with. In my opinion rather than faffing about with points limit etc etc they need to look at the rulebook as a whole. There's far too many Sub Rules open to interpretation that usually end up being exploited. They also need to address the cost of going to Speedway in this day and age. For what it is, it's far too expensive. I don't mind as I go alone and meet up with my pals when I get there but for someone who's got 2 nippers who want to go it can start to work out costing too much.
Championship, no more than £15. Premiership, no more than £12 and National League, no more than £10. Under 18's go free. OAP's and Students get in for a fiver. Cut your cloth accordingly, get some advertising out there and people will come. And by advertising I mean on the scale that Glasgow have done, not asking fans to pick up a flyer and distribute it.
Fixture clashes is another that's been ignored. There's too many meeting across Europe these days where a clash is inevitable. Max Fricke, to use an example, missed countless home meetings for us at Belle Vue due to other meetings in Europe. Granted, a lot of these were due to us playing catch up with fixtures after the opening night fiasco.
Tactical Ride needs scrapping for good. Can't honestly say I've ever spoken to anyone in favour of it. Tactical Subs seems the way to go or let the meeting run to a natural conclusion. If a team gets hammered then it just proves they weren't good enough. I sometimes think we speedway fans are too concerned with keeping a meeting close. You could have a drawn meeting with the dullest racing ever or the home team could win 60-30 in one of the most exciting meetings ever. At the end of the day you just never know what is going to happen when you turn up trackside.
Sure there's lots more that could be done.
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Post by gaz on Nov 5, 2016 21:40:52 GMT
Anything from the statement regarding British riders being allowed to ride in the European Championships? ?
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Post by bassman on Nov 5, 2016 21:52:01 GMT
Personally I think that we should have had 1 league and be done with 45 points each and get on with it If the big boys don't want to ride here , stuff em £15 to get in , Just want to see good racing, don't care who's under the helmet
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Post by bassman on Nov 5, 2016 21:53:32 GMT
Anything from the statement regarding British riders being allowed to ride in the European Championships? ? Doubtful what with brexit😜
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Post by bassman on Nov 5, 2016 22:03:43 GMT
With all the crap that has gone on with my team over the past week or so I'm just glad I'll have a team to follow in 2017. For me, the statement is just a shuffling of deck chairs. Doesn't appear that none of the major gripes have been dealt with. In my opinion rather than faffing about with points limit etc etc they need to look at the rulebook as a whole. There's far too many Sub Rules open to interpretation that usually end up being exploited. They also need to address the cost of going to Speedway in this day and age. For what it is, it's far too expensive. I don't mind as I go alone and meet up with my pals when I get there but for someone who's got 2 nippers who want to go it can start to work out costing too much. Championship, no more than £15. Premiership, no more than £12 and National League, no more than £10. Under 18's go free. OAP's and Students get in for a fiver. Cut your cloth accordingly, get some advertising out there and people will come. And by advertising I mean on the scale that Glasgow have done, not asking fans to pick up a flyer and distribute it. Fixture clashes is another that's been ignored. There's too many meeting across Europe these days where a clash is inevitable. Max Fricke, to use an example, missed countless home meetings for us at Belle Vue due to other meetings in Europe. Granted, a lot of these were due to us playing catch up with fixtures after the opening night fiasco. Tactical Ride needs scrapping for good. Can't honestly say I've ever spoken to anyone in favour of it. Tactical Subs seems the way to go or let the meeting run to a natural conclusion. If a team gets hammered then it just proves they weren't good enough. I sometimes think we speedway fans are too concerned with keeping a meeting close. You could have a drawn meeting with the dullest racing ever or the home team could win 60-30 in one of the most exciting meetings ever. At the end of the day you just never know what is going to happen when you turn up trackside. Sure there's lots more that could be done. So who's gonna run it now squire.
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Post by Youngy on Nov 6, 2016 7:41:15 GMT
With all the crap that has gone on with my team over the past week or so I'm just glad I'll have a team to follow in 2017. For me, the statement is just a shuffling of deck chairs. Doesn't appear that none of the major gripes have been dealt with. In my opinion rather than faffing about with points limit etc etc they need to look at the rulebook as a whole. There's far too many Sub Rules open to interpretation that usually end up being exploited. They also need to address the cost of going to Speedway in this day and age. For what it is, it's far too expensive. I don't mind as I go alone and meet up with my pals when I get there but for someone who's got 2 nippers who want to go it can start to work out costing too much. Championship, no more than £15. Premiership, no more than £12 and National League, no more than £10. Under 18's go free. OAP's and Students get in for a fiver. Cut your cloth accordingly, get some advertising out there and people will come. And by advertising I mean on the scale that Glasgow have done, not asking fans to pick up a flyer and distribute it. Fixture clashes is another that's been ignored. There's too many meeting across Europe these days where a clash is inevitable. Max Fricke, to use an example, missed countless home meetings for us at Belle Vue due to other meetings in Europe. Granted, a lot of these were due to us playing catch up with fixtures after the opening night fiasco. Tactical Ride needs scrapping for good. Can't honestly say I've ever spoken to anyone in favour of it. Tactical Subs seems the way to go or let the meeting run to a natural conclusion. If a team gets hammered then it just proves they weren't good enough. I sometimes think we speedway fans are too concerned with keeping a meeting close. You could have a drawn meeting with the dullest racing ever or the home team could win 60-30 in one of the most exciting meetings ever. At the end of the day you just never know what is going to happen when you turn up trackside. Sure there's lots more that could be done. So who's gonna run it now squire. Not too sure mate but there were rumours floating around mid-season that the club had investors ready and waiting but didn't want to invest whilst David Gordon was still involved. I stress, again, they were just rumours. I think there is someone lined up but it'll take a little time regarding existing debts. Any new promoter isn't going to take those on. One thing is for certain, whoever takes over has got a great facility to work with.
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Post by bassman on Nov 6, 2016 10:52:46 GMT
So who's gonna run it now squire. Not too sure mate but there were rumours floating around mid-season that the club had investors ready and waiting but didn't want to invest whilst David Gordon was still involved. I stress, again, they were just rumours. I think there is someone lined up but it'll take a little time regarding existing debts. Any new promoter isn't going to take those on. One thing is for certain, whoever takes over has got a great facility to work with. need someone like Fordy ,I reckon he could sell sand to the arabs, like him or not he got poole out the mire a few years ago and the rest they say is history.
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Post by tell98 on Nov 6, 2016 11:44:15 GMT
With all the crap that has gone on with my team over the past week or so I'm just glad I'll have a team to follow in 2017. For me, the statement is just a shuffling of deck chairs. Doesn't appear that none of the major gripes have been dealt with. In my opinion rather than faffing about with points limit etc etc they need to look at the rulebook as a whole. There's far too many Sub Rules open to interpretation that usually end up being exploited. They also need to address the cost of going to Speedway in this day and age. For what it is, it's far too expensive. I don't mind as I go alone and meet up with my pals when I get there but for someone who's got 2 nippers who want to go it can start to work out costing too much. Championship, no more than £15. Premiership, no more than £12 and National League, no more than £10. Under 18's go free. OAP's and Students get in for a fiver. Cut your cloth accordingly, get some advertising out there and people will come. And by advertising I mean on the scale that Glasgow have done, not asking fans to pick up a flyer and distribute it. Fixture clashes is another that's been ignored. There's too many meeting across Europe these days where a clash is inevitable. Max Fricke, to use an example, missed countless home meetings for us at Belle Vue due to other meetings in Europe. Granted, a lot of these were due to us playing catch up with fixtures after the opening night fiasco. Tactical Ride needs scrapping for good. Can't honestly say I've ever spoken to anyone in favour of it. Tactical Subs seems the way to go or let the meeting run to a natural conclusion. If a team gets hammered then it just proves they weren't good enough. I sometimes think we speedway fans are too concerned with keeping a meeting close. You could have a drawn meeting with the dullest racing ever or the home team could win 60-30 in one of the most exciting meetings ever. At the end of the day you just never know what is going to happen when you turn up trackside. Sure there's lots more that could be done. Can see pro's & Cons on both sides to all of them Motor sport costs, riders & clubs need something back for there outlays, would cutting cost to get in bring in more fans, or will you loose money ? (hard to call, be a brave man to take the chance) Fixture clashes: We know what days Sweden , Denmark & Poland run. not much you can do about that when your landlord tells you what day you can / can't run on. Maybe Poland have helped out by saying riders in Poland are limited to number of other teams thay can ride in (Poland 2 others) Tac rides: we dont like it, it should go ! Poland use tac subs, Sweden seem to use both (?) Tac subs looks to be best way, with the rider must take 3 ride rule staying in place Meetings should & MUST be run slicker. 2 Mins IS 2 mins, rider should be ready to take to the track, as soon as the last race is over, USS, NO going back to the pits, round back to the start or EX for delaying the start. Why a break with 3/4 heats to go ? break after heat 15 then junior races to bring on the kids (juniors dont get payed anyway)
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Post by Steve P on Nov 6, 2016 23:04:30 GMT
Starting Averages for 2017 from last years Elite League Teams. BELLE VUE Matej Zagar - 10.47 Craig Cook - 9.88 Max Fricke - 9.91 Scott Nicholls - 9.22 Steve Worrall 8.51 Richie Worrall - 8.33 Joe Jacobs - 5.36 COVENTRY Krzysztof Kasprzak - 11.07 Danny King - 9.57 Chris Harris - 9.21 Kacper Woryna - 6.51 Jason Garrity - 8.55 Josh Bates - 5.02 James Sarjeant 5.80 Ben Barker - 7.91 Adam Roynon - 5.05 KING'S LYNN Niels-Kristian Iversen - 12.65 Robert Lambert 8.76 Lewis Rose - 5.86 Troy Batchelor - 7.36 Nikolas Porsing 6.58 Nicolaj Busk Jakobsen - 6.98 Carl Wilkinson - 6.12 Simon Lambert - 5.25 Kai Huckenbeck - 5.13 Mads Korneliussen - 8.45 Rory Schlein - 7.16 LAKESIDE Andreas Jonsson - 11.83 Edward Kennett - 9.27 Kim Nilsson - 9.63 Lewis Bridger - 8.52 Richard Lawson - 8.17 Lewis Kerr - 6.16 Robert Branford - 4.60 Ben Morley - 3.85 Dennis Jonsson - 5.60 Piotr Swiderski - 7.28 Rob Mear - 5.11 LEICESTER Nicolai Klindt - 5.42 Patrick Hougaard - 8.70 Szymon Wozniak - 8.27 Paul Starke - 6.62 Aaron Summers - 8.13 Ludvig Lindgren - 7.65 Josh Auty - 7.10 Grzegorz Walasek - 7.63 Sebastian Ulamek - 9.24 Davey Watt - 7 56 POOLE Chris Holder - 12.53 Antonio Lindback - 9.80 Bjarne Pedersen - 9.67 Brady Kurtz - 9.22 Krzysztof Buczkowski - 8.42 Kyle Newman - 6.31 Adam Ellis - 7.84 Hans Andersen - 10.01 SWINDON Jason Doyle 13.41 Nick Morris - 8.97 Rohan Tungate - 9.03 Josh Grajczonek - 8.90 Justin Sedgmen - 7.60 Charles Wright - 6.59 Stefan Nielsen - 5.53 WOLVERHAMPTON Fredrik Lindgren - 10.09 Sam Masters - 8.88 Jacob Thorssell - 9.88 Tai Woffinden - 9.84 Peter Karlsson - 8.27 Kyle Howarth - 7.18 Max Clegg - 4.04 Ashley Morris - 4.83 Mikkel Bech Jensen - 8.76 Joonas Kylmakorpi - 9.35 Think these are right maybe a 0.01 or more out lol Did the BSPA make up all these averages? Look at Bjarne Pedersens average? ?? hes higher than Masters, Kurtz, King, Harris, Morris, Tungate, and numerous others!!!!!! Seriously where the hell did they get that average from lmao
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Post by unicorn on Nov 7, 2016 7:55:16 GMT
Riders who rode in the Premier League keep their premier league average. Riders who only rode in the Elite League which Bjarne Pedersen did has their average multiplied by 1.4
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Post by tell98 on Nov 7, 2016 11:50:29 GMT
one point we all missed (i think) ALL clubs, both PL & Cham', must have at least 2 British riders
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